Was würdet ihr

[gast-20100118]

Ich denke auch, dass von EPE noch vieles zurückgehalten wird. Vielleicht halten sie das CBS-Special zurück, um noch etwas in der Hand zu haben, damit wir Fans so richtig danach "gieren".

Als ich 2001 Graceland besuchte, lief das CBS Special im Trophy Room.

[gast-20110818]

Den Stein der Abhängigkeit haben Leute ins Rollen gebracht, die damit ihm bewußt schaden wollten, und heute partiell deutlich einräumen, damals recht übertrieben zu haben.

Einige der Substanzen, die Elvis täglich nahm und die auch im toxikologischen Bericht aufgeführt sind, machen nun mal schon nach wenigen Wochen abhängig.

[gast-20100125]

Ups.... ein Fehler meinerseits.....
Verwechselt mit den Kennedy-Akten......

Den Obduktionsbericht kann man nachlesen unter: www.elvisinfonet.com/spotlight...delvisdie.html.

Sorry,sorry, sorry.......bitte tausendmal um Verzeihung.........

[TheKing]

Hört mal Kinder. Elvis hat nicht ein paar Schlaftabletten genommen weil sonst nicht schlafen konnte, er war dauerstoned. Das ist doch unfassbar, was hier wieder runterrelativiert wird.

Unser Mann hatte ein massivstes Problem in dem Bereich, das steht vollkommen außer Frage. Soll ich hier mal alle Quellen dazu auflisten?

Ach, was soll es. Da sind wieder die typischen, wasserdichten, zwei, drei Leute, die es nicht wahrhaben wollen und der Rest weiß schon wie er die Entwicklung von Elvis zu interpretieren hat.

Lest die guten Bücher und gut is. Ich wäre sehr dumm, wenn über dieses Posting hinaus weiterhin gegen diese Windmühlen anreite...*abwink*

[gast-20100125]

Ja, Elvis hatte ein massives Problem, was seine Medikamenten-Abhängigkeit betraf. Das steht ausser Frage. Und in Medikamten sind halt einfach auch süchtig machende Substanzen enthalten u. wie die wirken, hat Patacle ja bereits mehr als einmal ausführl. geschildert.
Und wenn es die meisten Fans ganz einfach nicht wahrhaben wollen, dann kannst du genauso gut an die Wand reden.....
Ich glaube, keiner von uns kann sich im entferntesten vorstellen, wie der Ruhm u. der Erfolg sein Leben beeinflusste u. welche Auswirkungen das auch auf den Menschen Elvis hatte. Elvis - der gläserne Mensch. Traurig, aber wahr.
Und wenn man sich das berühmte Interview ins Gedächtnis ruft, wo er schon sagte: Image ist das eine, der Mensch dahinter ist das andere. Es ist schwer, einem Image gerecht zu werden. Mann, das sagt doch schon alles.

[praytome]

Hört mal Kinder. Elvis hat nicht ein paar Schlaftabletten genommen weil sonst nicht schlafen konnte, er war dauerstoned. Das ist doch unfassbar, was hier wieder runterrelativiert wird.

Unser Mann hatte ein massivstes Problem in dem Bereich, das steht vollkommen außer Frage. Soll ich hier mal alle Quellen dazu auflisten?

Ach, was soll es. Da sind wieder die typischen, wasserdichten, zwei, drei Leute, die es nicht wahrhaben wollen und der Rest weiß schon wie er die Entwicklung von Elvis zu interpretieren hat.

Lest die guten Bücher und gut is. Ich wäre sehr dumm, wenn über dieses Posting hinaus weiterhin gegen diese Windmühlen anreite...*abwink*

dann lies sie doch mal dann würdest du nicht mehr solche expertisen abgeben...über dinge die du ja laut eigenen aussagen nicht im geringsten beurteilen kannst...ach ja bei dir war er ja sogar bei aloha stoned wo selbst die schlimmsten drogen jehovas schreiben das er da clean war...man du spinnst dir aus deinen drei büchern dein eigenes gewäsch zusammen und das auch noch vollkommen unreflketiert....aus dir werde ich echt nicht schlau...und was ist dein beweiss?


ach ja er redet wie er immer redet...wie kann man nur so informationsresistent sein und so dauerbrettvordemkopf läufer sein...
und bevor du nun wieder die beleidigte mimose miemst...wer hier aufläuft und so einen scheiss von sich gibt dem nicht mal grassy so unreflektiert aus dem maul kommt der kriegt sowas zu hören nuff said

wie blöd muss man sich vorkommen hinsichtlich der toxikologischen untersuchung so einen scheiss zu reden wie schmerzfrei in deine eigene richtung bist du eigentlich...

[onkelfritz]

dann lies sie doch mal dann würdest du nicht mehr solche expertisen abgeben...

also ich finde, er hat recht...

und was hat da jehova, adonai oder elohim damit zu tun?

[gast-20100125]

Habe 2 Berichtem die ich jetzt mal poste, weil beide so ziemlich identisch sind.

Bericht 1

[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']HOW DID ELVIS DIE? [/font][FONT='Times New Roman','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']The following article originally appeared in the Salt Lake City Tribune on January 29th, 1978: [/font][FONT='Times New Roman','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Toxicologists based at the University of Utah have completed laboratory studies of autopsy specimens from the body of Elvis Presley and have found that 11 drugs were present in the singer's system at the time of his death, The Tribune has learned. [/font][FONT='Times New Roman','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']All of those drugs were consistent with medical treatment, said the director of the Center for Human Toxicology, Dr. Bryan S. Finkle. He spoke to The Tribune in an exclusive interview. The Center had been called in to provide a third toxicological analysis of typical autopsy specimens from Presley's body. [/font][FONT='Times New Roman','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']He reported, "We have not detected any drug in Elvis that doesn't have a medical rationale to it - only agents prescribed for perfectly normal, rational medical reasons." [/font][FONT='Times New Roman','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Dr. Finkle said the singer had not been drinking prior to his sudden death, which reportedly was blamed on an erratic heartbeat, last Aug. 16. Efforts by the Tribune to obtain a copy of the report by the Center for Human Toxicology have not been successful. [/font][FONT='Times New Roman','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']The Center received the first of the autopsy specimens on Oct. 4, and when The Tribune learned of this Dr. Finkle postponed requested interviews for professional reasons as he was acting in a consultant's role and in that, cannot talk in specifics. [/font][FONT='Times New Roman','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']He spoke, when interviewed, in general that, yes, he had been involved in the case and that he found 11 drugs, all consistent with medical treatment. Of course, that the entertainer did have prescription drugs in his system at the time of death has previously been reported. Most accounts mentioned from eight to 10 drugs. [/font][FONT='Times New Roman','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']The Center for Human Toxicology, which has an international reputation among toxicologists and forensic scientists, was the third organization called in in this phase of the Presley autopsy. The others were the Baptist Memorial Hospital in Memphis, Tenn.,and Bio-Science Laboratories, Van Nuys, Calif. Bio-Science requested the Center of Human Toxicology conduct the third examination, said Dr. Finkle. [/font][FONT='Times New Roman','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']While certain agencies, including the center based at the University of Utah, and the Shelby County, Tennessee, Medical Examiner's Office, involved in this story receive public monies, it appears unlikely that there will be disclosure of specifics about the toxicological analysis. The autopsy performed was done at the request of the Presley family. [/font][FONT='Times New Roman','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']In a nutshell, rights of privacy prevail and the parties appear to have no legal duty and are not compelled to disclose certain documents, in particular the toxicological report of the Center for Human Toxicology. [/font][FONT='Times New Roman','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Dr. Finkle, as a consultant in the Presley case, said he wrote a two-page report based on his findings at the request of Bio-Science. In it he lists the found drugs, their concentrations and he concludes with an opinion as to the potential or possible toxicological consequences of having this number of drugs in these concentrations in a body. [/font][FONT='Times New Roman','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']The laboratory results here apparently satisfied Shelby County Medical Examiner Dr. Jerry T. Francisco that Presley's death could not be attributed to drug overdose. However , it was learned that the death certificate was signed before the final Finkle report was mailed. Dr. Finkle's opinion was solicited earlier by a phone call, and Dr. Francisco later said publicly that the prescriptions drugs found in the singer's system were not a contributing factor.[/font][FONT='Times New Roman','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']The Associated Press, reporting on a press conference Dr. Francisco called last Oct. 21, quoted the medical examiner as saying that four drugs were found in significant quantities in the entertainer's bloodstream. [/font][FONT='Times New Roman','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']They are Ethinamate, Methaqualone, codeine and barbiturates. The first two are sedatives; codeine is a narcotic analgesic or milder, secondary pain killer, and barbiturates are "downers" or sedatives or depressants. Dr. Francisco was quoted as saying that four other drugs-the antihistamine chlorpheniramine, meperidine, morphine and Valium-were found in what were said to be insignificant amounts. [/font][FONT='Times New Roman','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Meperidine and morphine are pain killers and Valium is a tranquilizer. Presley was not taking morphine per se; the morphine was a byproduct of the codeine. The AP said Dr. Francisco said the amount of drugs found in Presley's body, collectively, would not have constituted a drug overdose. And he said it was unlikely that the drugs' chemical reactions within the body could have contributed to his death. [/font][FONT='Times New Roman','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']He said Presley died of a heart disease. "Had these drugs not been there, he still would have died." Dr. Francisco was quoted as saying that the press conference. But at this time the Finkle report was not in hand. It was not completed until December. [/font][FONT='Times New Roman','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Nonetheless, the death certificate was signed at a point-just prior to the release of the Finkle report-where tests were sufficiently completed so that authorities could conclude that the drugs did not contribute to the death. [/font][FONT='Times New Roman','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Officially, Dr. Francisco said in Memphis in October that Presley's death was caused by hypertensive heart disease with coronary artery disease as a contributing factor. The autopsy was conducted by Dr. Eric Muirhead, chief of pathology at Baptist Memorial Hospital. The autopsy was reportedly most thorough. [/font][FONT='Times New Roman','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']While Dr. Finkle would not be specific, he did give some solid information. He said that he found no Ritalin in the specimens. Ritalin is a stimulant and a trade name for preparations of methylphenidate. Dr. Finkle said he had been specifically asked to look for this drug among other agents. [/font][FONT='Times New Roman','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']As a toxicologist and not a medical doctor, Dr. Finkle will not even remotely discuss or determine cause of death. If he has an opinion he is keeping it to himself. [/font][FONT='Times New Roman','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']The 42-year-old- Presley was found face down on the floor of a bathroom at Graceland, his 18-room mansion, at 2:30 p.m. Aug. 16. He had been last seen alive that day about 6 a.m. after playing racquet ball with members of his entourage. He was a sick man. He had hypertension and a colon problem. Efforts to revive the singer were abandoned that day at 3:30 p.m. at Baptist Memorial Hospital. [/font][FONT='Times New Roman','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']The autopsy was reportedly very thorough and careful with several doctors participating. Dr. Finkle explained that it is routine in any medical-legal investigation for there to be three facets to a scene investigation of what were the circumstances surrounding the death; the medical-legal autopsy, and support investigation in clinical or toxicological laboratories. [/font][FONT='Times New Roman','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']And, the Presley case was reportedly conducted along routine lines. When taken to the hospital, there was reportedly suspicion that Presley died of what might loosely be called a heart attack; there were signs of cardiac arrest and cardiovascular blood flow problems. Autopsy specimens were routinely sent to the laboratory, and it was decided to have two toxicology labs do the work-the hospital's and Bio-Science. Dr. Finkle said, "as far as I know" there was no conflict between the two toxicologists, but there was some medical opinion differences as to what quantitative amounts of the drugs might mean relative to Presley's death. [/font][FONT='Times New Roman','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']The physician who conducted the autopsy, Dr. Muirhead, did not respond to a telephone call and letters from The Tribune. Shelby County Medical Examiner Dr. Francisco responded that the autopsy was done at the family request and with family authorization by the pathology staff of Baptist Memorial Hospital. This separated him for authorized toxicology studied and he is unauthorized to release any reports, he said. [/font][FONT='Times New Roman','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']"What he have done," said Dr. Finkle, "is to conduct a routine, complete series of forensic toxicological analyses on specimens and determine quantitatively what drugs were present in the victim and in what breakdown and we were asked what this means: is it germane to his death, did he die of drugs or didn't he?" said Dr. Finkle. [/font][FONT='Times New Roman','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Presley's illnesses included hypertension, some cardiovascular compromise and a colon obstruction. He fought a losing battle with a weight problem for several years. [/font][FONT='Times New Roman','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']"As a toxicologist, if you ask me why he had the drugs (in his system), the answer is that he needed them medically. All the drugs were in a range consistent with therapy and therapeutic requirements for known conditions of illnesses which he had," Dr. Finkle said. [/font]

[gast-20100125]

Bericht 2

[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Toxicology Report from the University of Utah[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']The following article appeared in the Salt Lake City Tribune on January 29th, 1978.[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Toxicologists based at the University of Utah have completed laboratory studies of autopsy[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']specimens from the body of Elvis Presley and have found that 11 drugs were present in the[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']singer's system at the time of his death, The Tribune has learned.[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']All of those drugs were consistent with medical treatment, said the director of the Center for[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Human Toxicology, Dr. Bryan S. Finkle. He spoke to The Tribune in an exclusive interview.[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']The center had been called in to provide a third toxicological analysis of typical autopsy[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']specimens from Presley's body. He reported, "We have not detected any drug in Elvis that[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']doesn't have a medical rationale to it–only agents prescribed for perfectly normal, rational[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']medical reasons."[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Dr. Finkle said the singer had not been drinking prior to his sudden death, which reportedly[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']was blamed on an erratic heartbeat, last Aug. 16.[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Efforts by the Tribune to obtain a copy of the report by the Center for Human Toxicology[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']have not been successful. The center received the first of the autopsy specimens on Oct. 4,[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']and when The Tribune learned of this Dr. Finkle postponed requested interviews for[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']professional reasons as he was acting in a consultant's role and in that, cannot talk in[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']specifics. He spoke, when interviewed, in general that, yes, he had been involved in the case[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']and that he found 11 drugs, all consistent with medical treatment.[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Of course, that the entertainer did have prescription drugs in his system at the time of death[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']has previously been reported. Most accounts mentioned from eight to 10 drugs.[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']The Center for Human Toxicology, which has an international reputation among toxicologists[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']and forensic scientists, was the third organization called in in this phase of the Presley[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']autopsy. The others were the Baptist Memorial Hospital in Memphis, Tenn.,and Bio-Science[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Laboratories, Van Nuys, Calif. Bio-Science requested the Center of Human Toxicology[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']conduct the third examination, said Dr. Finkle. While certain agencies, including the center[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']based at the University of Utah, and the Shelby County, Tennessee, Medical Examiner's[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Office, involved in this story receive public monies, it appears unlikely that there will be[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']disclosure of specifics about the toxicological analysis.[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']The autopsy performed was done at the request of the Presley family. In a nutshell, rights of[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']privacy prevail and the parties appear to have no legal duty and are not compelled to[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']disclose certain documents, in particular the toxicological report of the Center for Human[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Toxicology.[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Dr. Finkle, as a consultant in the Presley case, said he wrote a two-page report based on his[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']findings at the request of Bio-Science. In it he lists the found drugs, their concentrations and[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']he concludes with an opinion as to the potential or possible toxicological consequences of[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']having this number of drugs in these concentrations in a body.[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']The laboratory results here apparently satisfied Shelby County Medical Examiner Dr. Jerry T.[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Francisco that Presley's death could not be attributed to drug overdose. However , it was[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']learned that the death certificate was signed before the final Finkle report was mailed. Dr.[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Finkle's opinion was solicited earlier by a phone call, and dr. Francisco later said publicly that[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']the prescriptions drugs found in the singer's system were not a contributing factor.[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']The Associated Press, reporting on a press conference Dr. Francisco called last Oct. 21,[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']quoted the medical examiner as saying that four drugs were found in significant quantities in[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']the entertainer's bloodstream. They are Ethinamate, Methaqualone, codeine and[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']barbiturates. The first two are sedatives; codeine is a narcotic analgesic or milder, secondary[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']pain killer, and barbiturates are "downers" or sedatives or depressants.[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Dr. Francisco was quoted as saying that four other drugs–the antihistamine[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']chlorpheniramine, meperidine, morphine and Valium–were found in what were said to be[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']insignificant amounts.[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Meperidine and morphine are pain killers and Valium is a tranquilizer.[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Presley was not taking morphine per se; the morphine was a byproduct of the codeine.[/FONT][FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'] [/FONT]

[gast-20100125]

Tut mir leid, aber der 1. Bericht isst bei mir schwarz u. im Forum fast nicht zu lesen... warum, weiss ich nicht....

[gast-20110818]

The following article originally appeared in the Salt Lake City Tribune on January 29th, 1978:...

Ein Artikel aus einer Tageszeitung. Weiß nicht, ob das jetzt der Weisheit letzter Schluss sein soll.

[gast-20100125]

Ein Artikel aus einer Tageszeitung. Weiß nicht, ob das jetzt der Weisheit letzter Schluss sein soll.

na ja, aber wenn es zwei verschiedene Berichte sind, die unisono dasselbe sagen, dann gehe ich schon davon aus, dass es stimmt. Das ist auch sehr wahrscheinlich der Grund, warum EPE nichts unternimmt ....
Habe weiter oben etwas Sch.... geschrieben..

[gast-20110818]

na ja, aber wenn es zwei verschiedene Berichte sind,...

So wie ich das jetzt überblicke, sind die Berichte aber komplett identisch. Will sagen: Es ist nur ein Bericht.

[praytome]

Ein Artikel aus einer Tageszeitung. Weiß nicht, ob das jetzt der Weisheit letzter Schluss sein soll.

das ist was ich damit meinte als ich sagte wie oft muss was vö sein....

fakt ist eindeutig das es keinerlei hinweise auf jeglichen drogenmissbrauch gab
mann ist sogar noch weiter gegangen und hat die leber untersucht die vor seinem tod entnommen wurde...

ausserdem besagen die berichte eindeutig das alle medies aufgrund einer korrekten medizinischen indikation im köper waren und in der exakt korrekten menge...

da frage ich doch mal patacle und reconsider baby ob ich ihnen eindeutig die origi dokumente vorgelegt haben die das zweifelsfrei beweisen...

da brauch sich ein elvis nicht von einem bengel sagen lassen er wäre dauerstoned gewesen....der nur 3 bücher sein eigen nennt und nie mit jemand gesprochen hat...und sich beharrlich weigert fakten und informationen zur kenntniss zu nehmen

ich weiss echt nicht was jemand erdreisted so einen scheiss über jemanden zu schreiben

[praytome]

na ja, aber wenn es zwei verschiedene Berichte sind, die unisono dasselbe sagen, dann gehe ich schon davon aus, dass es stimmt. Das ist auch sehr wahrscheinlich der Grund, warum EPE nichts unternimmt ....
Habe weiter oben etwas Sch.... geschrieben..

zu lebzeiten wurde nie was unternommen und das wird jetzt auch so gehalten...was ich für falsch halte aber das habe ich ja schon mal gesagt und will nicht alles 4 mal schreiben...