FTD Elvis (Fool)

[Manhattoe]

Das stimmt ja alles, was Du erwähnst, aber dennoch finde ich es schade, dass auf dem Classic-Album Fool Outtakes fehlen, die einfach dazugehören.

Ich gehe mal davon aus, dass die beiden Discs wieder randvoll sein werden. Das würde das Fehlen der besagten Outtakes erklären.

[gast-20100801]

...neben der Tatsache, das Ernst auch noch ein paar Schmankerln für künftige Veröffentlichungen braucht.

[Tiger.Man]

Alben wie ELVIS PRESLEY, LOVE LETTERS, NOW, FOOL oder MOODY BLUE waren eben zusammengewürfelt. Und im Rahmen der Classic Albums Reihe bekommt man somit keine sinnvollen bzw. vollständige Sammlungen von Outtakes hin.

Damit hast du natürlich vollkommen Recht. Und es ist ja tatsächlich so, dass sich eigentlich jedes FTD-Album eher einer Session als dem Original-Album an sich widmet. Von daher ist dann da schon wieder ein Konzept zu erkennen.

Und letztendlich sollten wir uns doch freuen, dass wir in so schöner Regelmäßigkeit mit (unveröffentlichtem) Material bedient werden - auch wenn nicht jeder von uns immer mit dem Konzept 100%ig zufrieden ist.

[gast-20100801]

Wenn FTD tatsächlich alle Original-Alben (also von ELVIS PRESLEY bis ELVIS IN CONCERT) in diesem Format brächte, dann wäre mir das lieber als jede 30 CD-Box zum Horrorpreis.

Denn mit den Classic Albums bekommen wir die Songs so, wie sie der Fan damals auch präsentiert bekam. Nur eben in besserer Tonqualität und erweitert um die Singles und Outtakes.

[burroughs]

seit heute bei elvisUNLIMITED zu haben.
sollte also auch bei uns in den nächsten tagen eintrudeln

[King77]

Was mich wundert ist das man die Rehearsal Session vom 14.1.73 hier nicht comp.Veröff.sondern nur die Mastertakes.Eigentlich schade weil hier hätte man die Möglichkeit gehabt einmal alles von dieser Session kompakt auf einen Tonträger zu packen.

[burroughs]

der rest kommt dann auf der aloha doppel-cd

[PatrickVaals]

Hier ein par comments von die elvisnews seite uber die neue ftd's:

GeertFromNl (profile/ contact) wrote on Oct 3, 2010report abuseWhat a let down! Just listened to the Boston FTD and it is NOT better sonically than the Madison CD! I hoped that they have a better source but they don't have. It's exactly the same incomplete source and the sound is not better at all. They just copied the Madison CD and issued the same material in much worse packaging and at double price. If somebody doesn't have the bootleg then the FTD is an essential buy but otherwise skip it!!! It's inferior compared to One Night Only. Once again FTD proved that they didn't put their hearts in the product. It's just an OK release,nothing more and nothing less. Sad,very sad. The same goes for the Fool album. Why they repeated the old Hawaiian tracks instead of releasing unreleased outtakes? And where is the 3 minutes and 20 seconds long complete,unedited master of Fool? Why did they omit it? It's only available on a bootleg. A missed opportunity.


SnOwMan (profile/ contact) wrote on Oct 3, 2010report abuseReceived both releases 2 days ago. Boston 1971: No better than the Madison cd. The sound is similar but slightly worse with a few clicks here and there (good old Lene...) The front cover and booklet are much worse. They couldn't beat the classic Madison which is no surprise. For those who don't have the bootleg it's ok i guess. Fool album: It's a worthwhile release for the few new outtakes and false starts. The sound is basically good but not as good as on Raised on Rock and Good Times FTD's. The booklet is nice apart from the errors mentioned before.

Zoltan84 (profile/ contact) wrote on Oct 3, 2010report abuse
Got the 1971 soundboard on Thursday. Compared to "The Power Of Zhazam" the sound is much better,but it's not as good as on "One Night Only". I have a feeling that they copied the audio from "One Night Only" but someone changed a couple of things to hide it and made the sound somewhat different with the help of his/her computer. Plus there are a few clicks on it that weren't present on the Madison bootleg. It doesn't sound bad but doesn't sound right either. As a whole it's not a bad release,the sound is acceptable,the cover is O.K. and there's even a minimal booklet but if you already have the Madison CD then there's no reason to buy the FTD (unless you're a collector and you want everything). The Madison CD is better both in sound quality and artwork/booklet. It's a rarity now but if you're lucky you may get a copy for the usual FTD price (or a little more).
FLY-TROUBLE! (profile/ contact) wrote on Oct 2, 2010report abuseSadly FTD couldn't outshine the old Madison bootleg. The sound is not better at all (it's rather worse) and the packaging is weak compared to the bootleg. Lene (or whoever else) used a strange sound effect and you can hear the unnatural,almost metallic flat sound. There are 2 mastering errors,too. Nothing serious,just clicks. Still in an ideal world (and for this high price) these things shouldn't happen.

The "Fool" FTD is slightly better but the mix caused some disappointment here. For example take 4 of "Love me love the life I lead" that was first issued on "I sing all kinds" FTD is repeated here but this time James Burton's guitar is almost missing! For God's sake why does someone have to ruin everything? Burton's part on this track was a highlight for me. Who and why mixed it out??

Have mixed feelings about sound on "Reconsider Baby",too........ Elvis' voice has an echo feel to it and the stereo image is a little narrow. Better than it was on the old and terrible sounding MSG CD in 1991 but still not good enough. It's disappointing that there's nearly nothing new on CD 1. Also there are factual errors and misspellings in the booklet (as always). They stated that "Don't Think Twice" was recorded in march 1971 but as we all know it was recorded 2 months later in may!

Nobody is perfect but these regular errors are unacceptable for this kind of price. When i pay $35 for a CD i expect perfect sound and perfect booklet. Unfortunately it rarely happens with the FTD releases... All in all,the "FOOL" FTD is not bad but it's nearly not as good as "GOOD TIMES" or "NOW" FTD's.

[King77]

Das es von Don't Think Twice einen 2.Jam gibt der einen Tag später am 17.5.71 aufgenommen wurde ist finde ich mal eine neue positive Überraschung.Dieser ist auf der neuen FTD Fool zu hören.Jetzt ist auch klar warum Ernst schon wieder diesen Song präsentiert.Die erste Version vom 16.5.71 war ja schon auf der FTD Now.Von diesem unedited Take 1 stammen auch alle bisher zusammen geschnittenen bzw. gekürzten Versionen des Songs.
Mit dieser Version bekommen wir comp. neues Material zu hören.

[Herbi]

das schrieb Ernst im FECC Forum.....

Dear all

I would like to address some of the issues in Daryl's thoughtful posts.

Let's start with a riddle: How many FTD proofreaders does it take to get the booklet information correct?
This should be good fun for the often-cynical wit of this board

First my apology for the typo. “Don't Think Twice” take 2 was recorded on May 17 – NOT March 17. It was recorded just before Elvis started recording “Help Me Make It Through The Night”.
When some say they knew of this recording, I'm confused. We only found it about a year ago, filed as a copy of take 1 and removed from it's original real (in 1985). I suspect that the confusion comes from the old BEHIND CLOSED DOORS bootleg, because nobody has played this particular tape since the 80s.

The number confusion on “My Way” and “I'll Be Home On Christmas Day” is again a question of “you live and you learn”. The RCA recording page has “Christmas” as APA4 1296, but the original master real had “My Way” as 1296 and “Christmas” as 1297 (as written in the 70s box booklet). We only tracked down the session tape about 10 years ago (it had been stolen), and on that reel the confusion is explained as you can see that the engineer changed the numbers after the event, probably indicating that Elvis and/or Felton decided that “My Way” wasn't worthy of release. The recording order is “My Way” and then “Christmas”. The story of Elvis leaving during the recording of “My Way” then becomes confusing. Maybe he returned, or maybe the story is only half remembered.

The master number WPA5 2570 has nothing to do with this. It was a number assigned to the edit of “Running Scared/Tomorrow Never Comes”. This was at the time when the master serial number system was about to be abandoned, but we still used it for filing information.

A question from (deleted - see guidelines #9) about the master take number of “Padre” highlights another identification issue. Originally we believed that the master was the take AFTER the last take on the session reels. In some cases there were no slates (take numbers) on the master take reel, and if there wasn't a take number as the last thing on the session reel, we just assumed that the master number would just be the next one up. In the early days these numbers were applied almost religiously, but on the 71 Nashville sessions it wasn't always quite as accurate (Chips Moman hardly used slates at all in 1969). As we started to re-examine the tapes, we could see that there were more splices than could be accounted for on several of these 71 tapes, meaning that things had been cut from the session reels. We still don't know all the answers to this, but in the case of “Padre”, it turns out that they have taken take 8 out of the reel, and consequently that is the master. However, the ending of take 11 has been cut out as well, indicating that they have spliced that ending on to take 8, supposedly because the ending of take 8 was not as good.

This brings us to another issue – the many missing 1971 tapes. When Elvis died all the session tapes were in our Nashville vault, but when those tapes where eventually moved to New York at my request, several were missing. Here they are listed:

1) March 15 – reel 1. Included takes 1-10 of “The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face”
2) May 16 – reel 2. Would have included “ on A Snowy Christmas Night” and the first 6 takes of “Winter Wonderland”
3) May 16 - reel 4. Would have included “The First Noel” and “The Wonderful World Of Christmas”
An explanation why this tape may have been re-used or dumped, could be that Elvis may not have participated in the sessions and only overdubbed his voice. There would be no reason to keep the instrumental outtakes once the masters had been identified.
4) May 17 - reel 3. This would most likely have included “Lead Me, Guide Me
5) May 17 - reel 4 This reel exist, but the only things left is some scattered (unexciting) talk. Most of the tape has been cut from the reel.
This is about the time when the accident of Elvis kicking a gun through the front of Chip Young's guitar.
It's also where we believed that “Lady Madonna” was lifted from.
6) May 19- reel 4 – This is where outtakes of “I'll Take You Home Again, Kathleen”, if any, would have been sitting. It's also where the story of Ivory Joe Hunter's “This Old Word Is Might Lonesome” fits. Both Hunter's widow, and his song publisher, claims that Elvis recorded this song along with the other piano songs. However, they may just have been told that he was planning to record this, and as so often, Elvis changed his mind.
7) May 20 – reel 2 This is the reel that would have included the last takes of “I'm Leavin'” and the outtakes of “We Can Make The Morning”
June 10 – reel 2. If anything was recorded on this tape, maybe it suggests that Elvis went back to “My Way,” or that nothing was recorded, but they had just marked the tape box, before they realized that Elvis wasn't going to record any more that night.

We know that Felton Jarvis went through all the tapes after Elvis' death, and from the examples of “Lady Madonna” and “It's Diff'rent Now (Stax '73)”, we know that he would lift out pieces he thought could be used. From the infamous dirty version of “Hurt”, we also know that Felton was sensitive to the issue of rough language (he asked his wife to burn the tape-and she did), so he may possibly have cut such stuff out, or re-used the tapes for other sessions if what was on the tapes was not appropriate. We know of one example of an Elvis tape being used for a Willie Nelson session. I firmly believe that Felton would have NEVER recorded over something of reel value –he was one of Elvis' biggest fans.

This obviously leaves hope for dreamers like me, and yet it seems unlikely that these tapes still exist. When material like “Don't Think Twice” take 2 turns up, even though they may only be outtakes, it's truly exciting – certainly to me, but I'm curious to read what people think about the Elvis (Fool) album, because in spite of the rarity value of “Twice”, I don't think that this cut is the most important achievement of this FTD classic album release.

Over to you
Sincerely
Ernst

p.s. One answer to the riddle: “I don't know, it hasn't happened yet”

[TheKing]

Mann das ist so interessant..ich muss auch mal wieder ins FECC...toll wie offen Ernst alles erzählt...und da seht ihr auch was ihm alles fehlt...also nicht nur geheime Zurückhaltungsstrategien sind der Hintergrund für Lücken im FTD Werk...ich hoffe all diese Reels tauchen wieder auf!

[TheKing]

Aaaah Felton burned the Pornoversion from Hurt!

[TheKing]

Ich hau mir die FOOL FTD heute nacht mal genüßlich auf den Zahn!

[burroughs]

Aaaah Felton burned the Pornoversion from Hurt!

so?.. die cocksucker-version haben wir aber auf import

[TheKing]

so?.. die cocksucker-version haben wir aber auf import

Ja aber in irgendeiner grausamen Qualität, ich weiß nicht, wie diese Kopie entstanden ist...aus dem Orginalreell, hat laut Ernst, Jarvis es rausgeschnitten, weil er vielleicht dachte, dies sei dem Angedenken des Kings unwürdig...wie anmaßend!